Analiza Quiroz Wolf went from being a CEO to executive coaching after she realized that she didn’t need to suffer to be successful! We also talk about what it means to be an “achiever,” especially having immigrant parents, learning not to work so hard when you’re wired to, playing the game when working towards a new role or starting a new business, and so much more. So, stick around and listen up.
Analiza Quiroz Wolf went from being a CEO to executive coaching after she realized that she didn’t need to suffer to be successful! We also talk about what it means to be an “achiever,” especially having immigrant parents, learning not to work so hard when you’re wired to, playing the game when working towards a new role or starting a new business, and so much more. So, stick around and listen up.
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Today's guest went from being a CEO to executive coaching. After she had the realization that she didn't need to suffer to be successful. We also talk about what it means to be an achiever, especially having immigrant parents. Learning how to not work so damn hard when you're wired to how to play the game when working towards a new role or starting a new business and so much more so stick around and listen up because we have a lot to learn from her. Now onto the episode.
Hi, I'm Annalisa Quiroz Wolf. I am 46 years old. I'm an executive coach and I focus on women of color leaders.
Anna Lisa's parents immigrated to the U S from the Philippines. She grew up in San Diego and an area that had some gangs and gun violence. So her parents made the decision to bus her to a school in a white neighborhood. Later on Analiza attended Stanford, Yale, then Northwestern. She then moved to New York city and worked in marketing.
And then she was the CEO of a charter network. You can probably see what I'm getting at here. Analiza was an achiever, striving and clawing her way to success. But what was really driving her and how is it affecting her mental and physical health?
So the definition of success was my parents. definition that I embraced, which was to live the American dream, to go to great schools, to work really hard and get a good job and be a mom myself.
And that was success. And so when you say claw, it was trying to strive for 110%, all the things that I did. And if it wasn't 110%, then that wasn't success. And that was failing. So when I say clod, it was. obsessive compulsive, it gave me ulcers, I was really stressed out trying to do my best at a track race and vomiting.
If I wasn't vomiting, I really wasn't trying my best. If I wasn't getting an A I didn't feel like trying my best. So that is a school plus work. It felt like that was what plowing my way to success looked like.
Maybe this is an obvious question or maybe not, but where did you learn that idea of success? Why do you think that that was something that you held on so strongly to?
We have this saying in the Filipino language, utang nalabu, which means debt from the inside. All these people, my ancestors have sacrificed for this country for me to have the life that I have. And so learning the definition of success meant paying off my debt, making my family proud and doing the absolute best.
I could,
Wow. While you were kind of going through it and clawing your way through. What were you feeling about this idea?
there was nerve feeling there was just do the very best you could. And whatever feelings I did have, just. Section those off. It wasn't my family. While incredibly loving, we didn't talk about love or tell each other that we loved each other. I knew my parents both loved me, but that was just not something we did.
And so we're when I'm learning, you know, the definition of success and it was more a head and effort thing than it was a heart emotional thing.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And that resonates, I think, with me for sure. I'm sure a lot of other people too. how old were you when you decided to make this career shift into coaching and writing books?
So there happened in different times. The book writing happened when I was an educator and I had grown up as a, as a kid reading books like Sweet Valley High, which were about blonde, blue eyed twins. And that was what I read. And so I wanted to be blonde and blue eyed. Obviously I'm not. And my definite definition of beauty and popularity, all of that was shaped by not just school and my family, but also books.
So as an educator leading different charter networks, I wanted something different for my kids, which is how I arrived at writing my own book because there were no books at that time that showed Asian Americans, um, Specifically Filipinas who were trying to change the world and make it a better place.
So I started my first book, Asian Americans Who Inspire Us, um, a few years before the pandemic. And then it went on to Native Americans Who Inspire Us, Latin Americans Who Inspire Us. I ended up writing a book called Balikbayan about going back to the Philippines to learn and be proud of my heritage. Um, and then this recent book, Women of Color Rise.
A woman of color's guide to leadership that was based on my executive coaching. So the pivot from going to executive coaching happened during the pandemic and realizing that there's just so much support that people need, especially women of color to rise to top seats. So that was that pivot.
Wow. That is a lot of books, but let's dive into her pivot. Shall we, for someone with such a strong achiever mentality, you might imagine there was some internal struggles letting go of her high profile career to become an author and a coach, especially if she didn't have an exact playbook for her big change.
So how did she do it?
It felt like I was relinquishing my identity, someone who. Wanted to have an impact on the world. Really believed in education. I'd gone to pretty terrible schools growing up because we didn't live in nice neighborhoods. And so we didn't have the resources for good schools.
And to leave that track record and impact and Title behind and say, okay, I'm starting my own coaching business. And it's in a field that I haven't spent a lot of time in specifically coaching, but like I was not, not being successful because I didn't have the practice built up or the clientele built up.
So I had to lose, lose my identity and refind it, redefine what success meant.
What were some of the first steps that you took, or, and, and how did you just regulate nervous system in that moment? Because I imagine it was probably anxiety,
Absolutely. So much anxiety, so many emotions. And. I hadn't yet met people who were going through this massive pivot, or at least not sharing with me vulnerably what it was like. So it was like being a mom in that I was shocked by how hard it was having a newborn. It was kind of like that for birthing a new career and feeling like I had left something really important, impactful, and why was I making the switch.
Where nothing was guaranteed, a salary wasn't guaranteed. I now had to go out and share my story and what I wanted to do instead of just doing the work, which felt really vulnerable and making asks of people if they wanted to join leadership programs and then getting rejected. I mean, it was all the things that I worked hard to avoid and now I was having to put myself out there.
publicly. So I felt very anxious. I regulated myself by going to therapy. Actually, this is the first time that I invested in mental health in a real way. So going to therapy, I'm actually committing to my own healing of childhood trauma and embracing who I am. And then having to redefine that success isn't a title and it's not, you know, having, you should take care of your family and make sure that.
Being responsible, but it's not necessarily continuing to ascend and having higher salaries and all of these other things. For me, the way that I define success is to live into things that matter, connection aligned with my values, spiritually grow in my practice that go along with healing and waking up each day feeling like what I'm doing is meaningful to me.
So it's different.
Okay, so Analiza did a total 180, but how did she reconcile the theory of having to pay her family's debt?
I find that the debt. That I internalized is actually not true. There are so many things that I believe that actually my parents don't believe. For example, that my life needs to be a continuation of impact and paying it back, paying it forward, being good, delaying gratification, and in fact, my parents, have worked so hard for me.
They don't want to see me go through more painful hard work. They're not against hard work. They're against me being in pain and not being joyous and in ease. And so that was a realization that I needed to have, is that my parents paid the debt. They sacrificed so much. And For me not to have to go through so much pain and yes, there's racism and all the discrimination But there's no need to go seeking for more pain so if I'm not finding joy and meaning then I don't have to be loyal and keep giving and giving and sacrificing and not being treated respectfully, like that's not what they came to this country to do or for me to have.
So I realized that actually living into joy and ease is what they want, even though they themselves Um, and I just have to struggle to have that.
Oh, yeah. Oh my god, I just like got emotional listening to that. Um, how did you make this realization? Like, did you have a conversation with them about it? Did they tell you what happened?
Deciding to leave that big CEO role and shift into this completely new practice of executive coaching was really hard because I ended up talking to other people and sharing how I was feeling about. So that was the first step. It's so hard to share, right? I'm thinking about leaving because in my world, thinking about not being there and giving 110 percent and sacrificing everything.
Is sacrilegious. So here I am now talking to other education leaders. And at this point I was talking to Asian American leaders and just a few of them. And I was sharing my predicament. They said, I, you know, I know that the work we're doing really matters, but it's just not the environment. It's really toxic.
I don't think that this place, this environment is, is a place I can thrive, but the work is important. The children are important. I just need to find a way to keep going. And. One of them said to me, do you think that your parents are here to have you suffer? You know, like they would be happy to hear about how you experience suffering each day.
Is that the reason that they came here? And I was like, Oh, absolutely not. You know, they, they suffered so much growing up. Why would they want, why would they want that for their daughter, their family? Their son, my brother. And that's when I realized that's, that's not the legacy they want. They want us to be happy.
And it's not a muscle that I'm used to building or exercising, but that's my life now is how can I not work so darn hard and actually just relax and. Interestingly enough, it's hard to do. So I am so grateful to have had Asian Americans who were able to hear and commiserate with experience, but also redirect me to say, actually we have choices.
And it's not always a hammer that we use on a problem. We can be an act differently.
Annalisa. Wasn't always so willing to embrace her culture, but she's now made it a priority in her personal and her professional life. So what was the transition like from rejecting her heritage to embracing and advocating for it?
My rejection of my culture came, um, younger in my career. And so when I, I remember in high school, when I was filling out a form and they were asking about race, I was like, I'm American. I don't know why I have to fill out the race. I don't, my parents taught me I was American. Yes. I have. Filipino background, but that doesn't mean I'm not American.
So I came to the administrator and I was like, I'm going to leave this one blank. And he said, no, no, you have to fill it out. Where's your family from? I said, the Philippines. And he said, you have to fill out Asian American. And I remember being so confused and mad that he was telling me who I needed to be, but that just shows you how far away I was from embracing, not just embracing, but just embracing.
Full out rejecting who I was and where I came from. My parents taught me that, you know, going to these schools with a certain type of demographic and speaking English was more important than, you know, These other pieces of myself. So it's not surprising that as it went through life, trying to be American, that I didn't really know that much about my culture, my language.
And it wasn't until I was in the air force and serving in Guam, which is an Island close to Japan and the Philippines that I realized, you know, there's, I want to learn about my culture. It's a part of me that I think has a lot of strength. And while there's a lot of gossiping and rumors about my family, I'm sure my family has stories that I can learn from.
So I spent six months, about a year almost, living in my dad's home in the Philippines where I did a Fulbright and really got to know who my family was, both the hard things to learn and also the beautiful things. And that's where I began to embrace who I am, who my family is, and really want to have a different trajectory now that I'm a mom for my kids to say, you know, I'm really proud of being Filipina.
I lead from there talking about who I am, and I'm really, really proud of it. And I wouldn't ever hide that part of my identity ever again.
What have been some of the, like, greatest um, moments or benefits of fully embracing who you are, or fully embracing this part of you?
So one of the things that I love about embracing all aspects of my identity is that Leading with Filipina American allows me to show and care for myself as this Not just, it's just a piece of me, but actually it's not, I'm not going to hide it and I'm going to lead with it because I know it has so much strength for me and that I bring my ancestors into the conversation.
Um, and it opens up doors. So I love that. An example of this is when I talk with women of color. So I focus as an executive coach on women of color and starting with. That piece of me and being Filipino American, it has opened so many conversations. For example, one client said, I know that you're supposed to be my coach, but actually I'd really like to have more conversations to share about how being Asian American, how being Filipino American for you has impacted your life and how it continues to show up and how you've navigated challenges with it.
And so that opened up to a lot of heartfelt stories on both of our ends. And We can see how much we have in common, but also there's things that we can learn from each other. So how intimate is that within one of the first coaching calls to go really deep into identity? Because as much as we think, you know, we're all the same we are, but there's also these beautiful pieces of ourselves that we can integrate both in work and in life.
It's so powerful.
And of course, this makes me think of how powerful it is to share stories and to listen to other people, share their stories. As they say, vulnerability invites, vulnerability and creates connection. We often think we're the only person in the room feeling the way that we're feeling when in fact it's likely that someone else in the room is feeling the same way, what a relief to be able to share and connect. And create compassion around some of our biggest fears or scariest experiences. Anyway, let's get back to Annalisa because she has so much to teach us. We now know she's written a bunch of books and one of these books is about the resources she wishes she had, but she didn't have when working her way to the top of her career.
And in particular as a person of color, basically how she learns to play the game. So she would stop being overlooked.
So wait, so what's the name of it?
The Miss Success, a woman of color's guide to leadership. So I'm going to tell you how, why this matters. First is an example from Stanford. I remember from Stanford that I would study and I would study from the back of the book. Each chapter had. questions and then you look for the answers in the back and check it and make sure that I knew all the answers and I was ready for the test.
This is the way that I've been trained and maybe you have too, to be ready for tests. Well, I would show up to these tests and The questions were nothing like the back of the chapters. It would be some completely different, it would be an essay question and a math test, and I wouldn't understand like why this question was being asked, where they were coming up with these zany ideas, and I would do kind of miserably on this test.
Here's where I found out that The way I was preparing for these tests I had worked in high school no longer worked in college. A good friend of mine said, That's not the way to study. The way you study is you look at old tests. You prepare using old tests and make sure that you know how to answer those questions.
Cause it's likely going to replicate these old tests. I said, well, I don't have access to these old tests. Where, where would you get them? It's not in the back of the book. You can't buy them with your course folder. And he said, well, that's from your friends. And if you're in a fraternity, they have a folder full of these old tests.
And I was like, what? I'm not in a fraternity. I don't have access. And he said, okay, well, let's go find them. And you need to go to TA office hours. They need to know you. And I was like, why does that even matter? I'm I'm, it should be in the book. Like, isn't that the whole way that you get good grades? And he said, absolutely not.
Now I learned this. Molly like three years into Stanford. I mean, really late. Right. And luckily he told me how to do it. I went from being like a B minus student to like acing things. And I use this as an example because this is how the career game is played. I'm a hardworking person. I'm happy to go look for resources.
If people offer a session on how to do better, I will go right. I have a person who wants to do well and it's really motivated and we'll put in the time and so applying that at Stanford didn't work until I learned these cheat codes and it's the same way with careers. I thought that working hard in my job, putting my head down, You're not, you know, not making things, you know, not questioning, not asking for a salary raise or more.
I didn't want to be greedy. I thought, you know, this is the way that I was going to do well, as long as I did a really good job, which my performance reviews said, you know, I was in the top of the top, I would score the, the next role, the promotion, the opportunity, the stretch project and Molly, just like those tests.
I was, Like, why am I getting passed over? Why am I not getting the highest salary raise? Every, like, my manager said I was good and I have really good 360s. It really can't get any better than this. I'm taking on one, two, three jobs for people who have left and gotten piled on with more homework. I never complained.
I worked weekends and nights. Obviously, right? Obviously, I was set up. And no, year after year, Job after job. I was passed over and, and cried, right? I was like, what's wrong? Like, there's something that I'm doing that's wrong. I need to take on more work. I need to put my head down more. I don't know what it is, but just keep doing more, more and more of the wrong thing.
And so I wished and I had looked for mentors, right? I knew that this is important. And I talked to people and ask them how I could be better. And they gave me advice about how to present the strong presenter. And I was a strong presenter, but still I was missing really important information. And so. This is that book.
Darn it. I went to MBA school, went to, you know, Yale and Northwestern and Stanford. I did not learn at any of those junctures what it takes to be successful. But what I did have was my own experience. I also had these women of color who I've been interviewing for the past three years on my own podcast, Women of Color Rise.
And I had the research that said, you know what? You're not the only one who suffers from imposter syndrome. It's pretty normal. In fact, the more successful you are, the more likely you're going to have this. So let's look at all of these things that you maybe think are going to get you to the top or have you be successful.
And actually, probably most of them are wrong. So let me tell you how the system, the game is actually played. So you can play properly. And when you get to the top, you can change the rules for everybody. So that's what this book is. It's, it's showing us that how we believed success would come with hard work and being quiet.
It actually isn't true. And it gives you the, the resources, the stories, the playbook to do really well.
Yeah. Wow. Okay. I don't want to give your book away because I want people to buy it, but can you give us like a little snippet of like one of the ways that you figured out is like actually a step to success and not what you're doing?
Absolutely. So one of the things, if you were my boss, Molly, I would say, well, Molly knows that I'm doing a really good job and that, you know, all of the ways that I am having an impact on our team and our company, and in this case, our students. So. I just need to, I'll assume Molly is going to take care of me, that, you know, all of the ways in which I am a strong leader and that the promotion is mine, right?
Just be humble because people who raise their hand and toot their horn, those people are braggarts and you don't want to be a braggart. So that's the myth, right? I was like, Molly knows, Molly knows, and Molly will fight for me. No, Molly does not know. Even if Molly likes me, Molly's busy with Molly's Molly is in this world and likely Molly is maybe falling into the same trap and doing multiple jobs.
And as much as Molly is trying to do right by her team, she just doesn't have the firepower. To be able to. In a big table of decision makers. Fight. So one. I need to get you ready, Molly, for being at that table so that you know my accomplishments, my contributions. I need to have the right projects to work on.
That's another thing. What are the right projects? I need to also have other people at that decision making table who know me and will also say, absolutely, Molly, why wouldn't you want to promote Annalisa? She should already be here at the table. And all those things are so different from the way that I had been taught to play the game, but we need to know so that it is not a shock when we are let go again.
So that's what I mean. Be humble is the myth. You gotta toot your horn. You gotta know the right people. You gotta get on the right projects and you gotta play the game.
Wow. I love that. That's really good advice. And how does that translate now to like working for yourself and being your coach? What are, what are some of the, cause I'm listening to you say that and I'm like, oh, I have this like new project. How do I get that? Nobody knows that I'm doing this thing.
I've told a few people or I've like posted something on social media and I'm just like, okay, where are all the people? Where's all the business? And that's just not how that works. So how does that, how has that translated for you to starting your own coaching business?
So first for my clients, because of all of my personal experience and then this podcast, my connections with C suite women of leader, women of color leaders and the research I've been able to leverage this when coaching to say, okay, this is of course unique to you and your experience, but make sure that you know that it's actually a theme and it's normal and you can do something about it and it's going to feel uncomfortable, but if you want to rise.
because it's not just about power. We were like, Oh, I don't want to rise. Oh my gosh. Why would I want that? I'm like, okay, stop. I know that being like saying that you want power makes you look power hungry, but there are other reasons why we want power. And that's also to do our mission better. So let's pause and let's challenge our thoughts and our beliefs.
And all the pushing away of, of taking a different step and then choose, how do we want to show up at this moment? How do we want to build the skill? How do we want to have the impact we want to have? And so it shows up in my coaching practice. That's the first thing. And then the second thing, Wally, I mean, I face these things myself, posting on social media and having to, you know, put myself out there with a leadership course and then face whatever rejection and all the things.
These are normal. These are normal sentiments I have. And in this case. I need to normalize. Okay, I made a mistake. We talked about this earlier and it's okay. Mistakes are fine. It doesn't mean I have to turn into a perfectionist. I already, I'm a recovering OCD person. How do I give myself self compassion, allow myself to feel these feelings?
And then choose a new action to move forward. And it's the same thing I practice with my clients, with my own coaching business. And it's a daily practice that I just come constantly, um, just getting better at, but also it's not comfortable, right? To grow means it's just, it's uncomfortable. And yet I am growing a lot.
Yeah. All of that stuff, it's at least partly like how do I regulate my nervous system and I've been thinking a lot lately about why I haven't been able to like, you know reach certain goals and I think I was actually just journaling about this right before I Got on with you about not trusting that I'm able to Handle the success.
Do you know what I mean?
So what's coming up for me is this idea of fear of success.
And also what's coming up for me is that we want control. So we want to know that whatever journey we're on will pay off, we'll be successful, and we don't want any failure, any mistake. That's what we want.
Mm hmm. Right.
it makes sense. I mean, look, it makes complete sense, because we were conditioned as young girls that we need to be perfect.
So it completely makes sense that We want to be successful, but on our own terms of perfection, the whole way. Now, intellectually, that's how we feel right in our bodies. That's how we feel intellectually. We get that to be an entrepreneur, to be a leader. It means taking risks. It means doing new things. It means putting yourself out there, whatever that means, whether it's posting on social media or giving a speech or building a new offering or new program, there's going to be risk because it's not going to be perfect the first time.
And yet, our body is like, no, you need to be safe. You need to play it safe. You need to be in control. Anything else is going to be, is going to dysregulate us. So when we do the intellectual thing, which means post a couple times. That's the right thing to do. Our body is like, Oh my God, what are you doing?
Hell no. Like, can you just post once and make it quieter at a time? People won't look at it. And so we're in this place of fighting ourselves, right? We want to go and deliver because the thing that we're trying to do is in service of the world. And at the same time, our body's like, hell no. And it's a lot of work to be in this place, trying to do risk.
And then our body saying you're about to jump off a cliff. Trying to take the step and then your body's like, you're going to die. And it's incredibly, incredibly difficult to navigate because your head and your heart and your action is not aligned. So that's what that reminds me of. And for personally, for me, Molly, it's, it's like, okay, yes, that's what we're facing now, and we have a choice, right, which is.
We can stay where we are in this place of dysregulation, which is also if we don't take a step forward, our body is saying like, well, yes, you're safe, but like, you suck. Right. And now you're beating yourself up. So whether you take a step or you don't take a step, you're feeling kind of terrible. So here's where the choice point happens.
This is why having executive coaches helpful because, you know, we normalize and fade that as well. completely understandable. And now, like, allow ourselves to process it, allow ourselves to feel it in our bodies. Very hard, right? It's not fun to be like, I feel ashamed. Okay, let's sit in it. Right? But we allow ourselves to feel it and then move our bodies through it, because it's somatic and it's energy.
Take a deep breath, meditate, however, it doesn't have to be a long thing, like a minute, and then choose newly, which means maybe I need more time to sit in the mug. Okay, let's do it. Like, let's choose that way and allow ourselves to sit or to say, you know what, I'm done. Like, I want a different, outcome. I want to try something new.
And I get my body's like, what are you doing? You're jumping. You're like, yes, it's jumping into the water because what's the worst thing that can happen. And so I actually help my clients walk through what's the worst thing. They're like, I'm going to be out in the curb homeless. I'm like, really, really? So nobody signs up for your offering.
That's the worst thing. So then what? No one signs up for your offering, right? That's it. You're not homeless. Check to the curb with no friends and no family. So it's, it's, it's like an intellectual body and also action alignment. And I think that's why we coaches are helpful because otherwise we spent a lot of time in pain when the pain doesn't have to necessarily be that bad.
It can actually be part of the process to move forward.
Yeah. There's so much information in the pane, too.
As we now know, Annalisa is an executive coach in particular for leaders and more specifically leaders of color. And I really wanted to know more about this work.
So I serve all people. But particularly women leaders of color, because I find, especially as a woman leader of color myself. That we need help that we don't even know we need. So I love to focus on this group because there are so many things that we can learn from each other.
And a lot of it, as a woman of color, we're taught to be strong, to do it ourselves, to hide our emotions, to keep on keeping on. Right. And it's like, I want to be good. I want to be a good leader. And we follow these practices that are Like not only don't help us, but they hurt us. And I find that when I work with women leaders of color, the first step to talking to coach is already a breakthrough to say, Hey, I'm experiencing this hard thing, or I need help, or I feel sad.
I want to check in with my emotions. Those are all incredibly vulnerable things that feels like an honor to be able to hold space. For someone to allow themselves to be, to be without judgment, without having to worry that the thing that they're saying isn't polished, isn't perfect. And I feel so much kinship when I listen and I'm able to validate and affirm and then share choices.
Okay. So what do we do with this? And also when it's helpful, share stories from other women, leaders of color, myself, but to, to help. Them realize that they already have the power within it's often been blocked. So what does that power for them? How can they show up authentically in their identities and unapologetically?
What does that all mean? So it's, I find that those two things are in common. One is a space where they can be fully seen, heard for all of the, all the pieces that they probably shut off and to, to realize that they are the source of all the things they've been looking for.
Wow. I love that. It's so important. What important work.
And we have now reached the point of our conversation where I ask Annalisa to re-introduce herself without using titles. Because we are not our titles, we're not our successes. We're not our failures or hobbies, our relationship statuses, our bank accounts. We are not any of those things. Thank goodness we are. The lessons that we choose to learn and hold on to.
We are how we react. We are how we learn and choose to react. Next time. That is what makes us who we are. And here's what An
I'm Annalisa Quiroz Wolf. I'm 46 years old. I am
the believer that love, especially self love, is a healing and empowering way of sourcing our inner strength and sharing that with others.
Awesome. Is there anything else you'd like to share before we get into how people can find you
I am excited about serving others and especially those who maybe are stuck or feeling like they want more clarity on their purpose and how to unleash their genius. So if I can be helpful at all, please let me know. I have group coaching courses, but also one on ones and you can always go to find me on my website for complimentary consultation.
and where, what is your website?
My website is my first name, last name Annalisa Wolf, A N A L I Z A W O L F dot com.
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